budapest tattoo conferencelurdy house, 13-14. february 2016. a feliratot idå‘zãtette ã©s fordãtotta/subtitles made by:bende istvã¡n, bende-pintã©r anitaistvanbende@gmail.com otte timar: durability of tattoos -how eternal the ink is? hi! as i see we are about to be gathered together,or will. so i start my opening speach,because i am a bit talkative, the others will arrive till then. it is good to know, that last yeari prepared as much as nothing. imi let me know,that "your turn will be at 4".
i came up at once. four hundred eyes on me..you know... jesus christ! everybody on me.i started with a light panic attack. but it turned out all right,i screwed around about 1,5 hours. i don't know if someone were here last year. how would you rate it from 1-10? ok, thanks. anyway, i haven't improvised now,i have written a note of 7 pages. i was an eminent pupil,i think to be good prepared. i would like to speak aboutthe durability of tattoos.
i think everybody is curious about this topic,who is involved, because we don’t prefer doing tattoosconsisting only 2 or 3 years. before i start,let me introduce myself! i was born as ottã³ timã¡r, my artist name became otte timar. i was born in dunaãºjvã¡ros (hungary). my destiny looked to live my life as a turnerin 3 shifts. but i decided another wayand i became tatto artist. tattooing was totally different that time,
such as starting tattoo career, than today. style was much bounded, than now. but i think i plowed through the difficulties,and arrived here to you. well, i had the year ’97,it turned out brutal: i set the pad into fireand found a corpse. the joke is that’s not a joke. i step on it in the forest,i really didn’t want to find it, but it was to be like that,to cross our ways there. than i worked a balaton sessionwith an 80% charge after my income,
with a psychically terrorizing boss. does the name ãkos medve say anybody anything? he was the first drummer of group called quimby,but he was so fell apart to be thrown out from there either. he was my boss,and my career started with this. leaving it behind i had a good constellation, getting abroad soon, and going a relatively successful way. i still have been making my living byachievements i built up then. my career had an upswing… i don’t knowif szabi oravecz spoke about this… the arc of career,
…whether if it’s sustainable for somebody or not. market is totally rearranged nowadays. it worked the way that time,that there were the magazines, who were the competents, who looked for the talents, and somebody became „famous†or „illustrious†tatto artist,according to be found by one of these magazines. this has totally changed. you make a good or not so good work - don’t take it personally! -
you drop 100 euros on it on facebook,you’ll have 10.000 likes and you are cool. ok, it doesn’t work 100 percently the way like this, you also have to produce quality. on the one hand it’s good, because everybody has the opportunity. but on the other handit’s like democracy: they make us believe,that we have the same chance. yeah, just try to oppose witha media empire alone, if you want to reach your goals on elections.
it’s the same, those, who have the assetsare joining the elite fast. however there are essential talents. if someone does beautiful and good tattoos,doesn’t mean, that they will be durable. ok, and i get here on my topic. wait, there are images, too… i forget it several times.. my wife sits here, she knows the best: she asks something,and after an hour i ask back „what have you asked?†so, the boom! in the previous years
tattoo could reach a wider base of society according to leave the frames of subculturality. therefore also the media andfashion industry caught on it. abundant attention and capitalflowed into the tattoo industry. i think maybe i got this diagram here below that shows the growth of incomefrom tattoo removals per million dollars in the usa. of course, worldwide it is the same just multiplied. i made an online course in 2010,
and than we had to present to the cib bank that what sort of industry it was to get those bank rights. to tell the truth, they have absolutly no idea,in addition this is the bank of the vatican, therefore especially no. we could find some nonpublic datas,it was hard, but we succeeded somehow. the yearly growth of tattoo industry was 100% in 2010-11. 100%! china is told to be in a vast progress:they show up 20%. with this 20% of economic growth chinabecame a super power within 2 decades.
our small subcultural sect communityis raising 100% per year. maybe some day we will beat china. "vote me!" the cash flowed in by tattooingsmall infinities, fluttering birds and stars. several times we mock peoplegetting those kinds of tattoos made. on the other hand, more or less we can be thankful to them,for i can stand here and speak to you about these things. anyway, this budapest convention is wonderful, i deflate my ego every year, and lower the big me.
because i think i’m a super-super-super tattoist, then i come here, take a look on the works of the next generation, and i mute myself at once. i feel very-very happy about it, progress is huge. lot of money is spent for tiny infinities,10, 50, 100 euros are going into the business. tattoists usually aren’t big spenders, because always: „what shall we buy? - ink!â€
or, i don’t know, „new machineâ€. but they don’t really utilize this capital. ergo, lots of money flows backinto the development of devices and inks. this process led to the point that it ishighly worth investing in this business. 100% growth means if you put 100 euros in as investment,you take 200 euros out. and it's nearly a full guarantee to avoid dept. thus, everybody started developing everything. all imaginable little thingies became available by now, for example: stencil remover liquid.
brutal! really. what not? anyway. maybe we should have a brainstorming:what’s not available yet? oh, yes. what’s missing? what lacks? the only thing money can’t buyis simply the skill. i think, profession has a very bad attitude. it has closed ranks, and doesn’t want to be deluted,that’s acceptable. all human communities try toprotect their territory.
tattoo artists the same. according to this technique doesn’t developeas fast as it could. i mean the technique of making the tattoos. there are awesome machines, you can buy for example a cheyenne. but knowledge is not included,how to use it. ergo everybody starts from the same level. personal progress depends on personal talent, diligence and humility.
it’s very hard to acquire knowledge. we’re here, because you’re interested, likely you want to pick up information,therefore you’re listening to me. i highly appreciate it! therefore we’ve gathered here today, - quoting the good priest. i have tattooed for 15 years,so i have some experience in what’s functioning on skinand what’s not. the penny has just dropped,
yesterday a girl,called bogi tã³th visited me whilst working,you know, to chit-chat. i asked, how the others handle me? she sayes: „oh, you belong to the grand eldersâ€â€¦ uh! yes, 15 years have elapsed. we have grown old. the generation of zsolti and boris,which can’t be told aged, is the first generation of hungarian tattoo artists. then csabi mã¼llner, james and that age group came up.
everybody can classify him/herself,to which one he/she belongs. we’re that second generationhungarian tattooists. our empirical way gained experience can be told good,because we have seen a lot of things, we have 10-15 years old tattoos by now. so, i try to hand over this to you. concerning me.. you know my works, don’t you? good, okay. it’s good to know about me, that i don’t believe in thesevery realistic and overtexturized things.
i like big areas propped by contour lines, but i’ll return to it at the tecnical part. and i’m „known†aboutmy relatively durable tattoos. it means, that i won the colour cathegoryon the kassel expo, with a 6 years old tattoo so, that it was put next toa two weeks healed one. i had succeeded inpumping it up with pigments – (i’ll be back on how it goes) – as good as it shinedeven 6 years later as well.
so, let’s start then.. party begins. yes. infused pigments. in my opinion the durability of tattoosare determined by the following factors: the quality and size of injected pigments. it’s related with the uv resistance anddiameter of pigment balls (we return to this) the quantity of injected pigments. technical part will be important here.
and the reducing of the resistance of body. i’ll show, what keeps the ink inside the skin. it can leave two ways: inside or outside. the third is the structure and contrast of the motif.of course, it’s part of the concept too. the quality of healing is very important- - a lot can be lost during recovery - and the afterlife of tattoo, such as uv and heat protection. but it depends mostly onthe attitude of the customer: how much he perceived,how lucky he is to be tattooed by us.
i start with the pigments. here it is – this isn’t the latest,but not too old chart. the manufacturers of inks. there’s so many of them. everybody has the choice,obviously there are better-worse. maybe the quality of pigments is the main factoraccording to the lifetime of tattoos. we sort pigments from two mayor points of view. uv resistance of ink means the ability, that stands against the degrading effectof damaging uv radiation.
when developing a pigment,uv resistance is defined in number of hours. i dont know, how it’s measured,but i guess they don’t send the person into solarium.but there’s available information about it. you can imagine pigments as microscopical balls. it’ s obviously clear for everyone,who has gone into the technical part of it even a bit. low frequency uv radiationcracks the external surface of pigments, and as if it was a stone ball,the upper crust cracks and peels off. and so to say,the pigment constantly getting less. if it has too small diameter,pigment can leave the skin inwards. like the good old time machine yellow.
you made a tattoo of the sun,and it had entirely absorbed 3 years later. these weren’t good uv resisting inks. for example there are mixed colours,like green that’s mixed from blue and yellow, and if the uv resistances ofthe two colours are not the same, like the yellow’s is 600 hours,the blue’s is 800 hours, then of course, when the yellow starts to dissolvethe tone shifts after a while. you must have seen tattoos,that’s colours had changed after years. it occures when colours are mixed. here you can see a label of an eternal ink.
there’s allways a ci (colour index) number,that indicates the code of the pigment. pigments are generally purchased from indiaand southeast asia. these have either mineral or vegetal source. they’re grounded in various labors to proper size. then they dilute them,and here mix with isopropyl alcohol and witch hazel. the eternal uses this. ink is being formed from this. usually everybody ordersfrom the same pigment companies. to say the truth, if one of you figured outto make an ink with a fancy name,
then just order from these companies,import, mix, bottle, and that’s it. valdi – does this name say anything? from the prehistoric.. he mixed his pigments himself of these kinds of ordered pigment powders. i don’t know the result.i haven’t seen old valdi tattoos. you’ll see on ink bottles, that one single pastel colourcan be put together from 5. the more ci you see on a label,the bigger the risk that the tone of the tattoomaybe shifts after a while.
it’s not really necessary to take care about it, unless someone becomes a fanaticof making unchanging tattoos. then it worths using pigmentsas clean and as simple as possible. the less types of pigments an ink contains,the cleaner it is, and the lesser the risk is that it changes. ink is built up of pigment balls, vehicle liquidand in this case witch hazel - a heal booster. processes are starting inside the skin, so, it’s good if it basicly containsan anti-inflammatory agent. about the diameter of pigments.
today the situation in the tatoo industy is, that anybody may manufacture inks,without complying with any scientifical principle. yo… anybody a good ink? they arrive in bags like this.ok, they put it in those small „drug dealer†packets. it looks like thiswhen it is in it’s raw phase. all inks are made of these, they usually come from india, sumatra, and such sort of places. but hey… look at this awesome, mash looking something... the yellow one… look, the good is that we knowwhere it comes from at least.
obviously they’re sterilized, so they won’t cause any cholera epidemic, but it’s good to know,what we pump under the skin. laics used to argue upon this.there’s always a part of people, that doesn’t want to accept, that there’s more and more of us, who’s tattooed. they used to say it’s unhealthyand has a risk of skin cancer. i don’t know. i haven’t ever met… have you ever met anybody, suffering from skin cancer,caused by a tattoo?
you haven’t, have you? haven’t, but cigarettes are still obtainable.anyway. market controls itself, in principle, that means good things are bought,and bads are not. everybody does pigments,therefore market evolves. generally there is a suggesting method. to explain: john doe uses this colour set,so i buy it, because i think i will tattoosuch as good as he does. the marketing part of this businessis dominated by tattooist’s cross-offers.
but obviously, emotions got roughby now in this industry. you can see it, when you open up facebook, and……fuck you! um, have i missed something? because there are too much new infos. i’m not willing to follow all these stuff any more. these kinds of people will becomethose grumpy old school guys by the end… „shit, it won’t last! no chance!†but really! you know guys like this, don’t you? „that doesn’t functionate on skin!†ok, good things are bought,and bads are not.
it’s easy to be gone on wrong track with it,because sometimes there are inks, that’s very easy to work with, but of course it’s yellow or orangevanishes after a while. they’re not too lasting. does time machine ink say anything to you? you’re new generation… anyway.it was a horror. and there was the premium2000 - tribal black - disappearing. it was cool. by the way you allways had enough workwith going through again on your tattoos every three years.
why does it work the way like this? let’s review the principle of embedding of pigments. we want injected ink to remain embeddedin the pigmented layer of the skin. the basic conditon for it is whenneither it can leave outwards, nor it can absorb inwards. outwards the blood pressure badly opposes us. so, if someone is full with red bull, you know the story,you can’t pump it up easily, because the permanent counterpressureof blood doesn’t let it in. or sometimes you may stumble into people
with blood coagulation disorders. some types of skins sucks. the first period of healing will be vital,i’ll be back to it. plus it shouldn’t absorb inwards through capillaries. it’s good to know, that the diameter of capillaries (very thin blood vessels)in the outer regions of body, the inner layers of skin are about 5 microns. the inner we are, the thicker they are. they’re called capillaries up to 10 microns. after importing them from india,
ink manufacturers usually grind powders in laboratory mills to the proper size, that’s 5 microns. in fact, they have no scientific background. for example, the eternal is made by a tattoo artist- i forgot his name - with 30 years experience, but it’s mostly empirical, not scientific. i know only one exception,- even i’m talkative, but that guy’s much above me - who’s called paolo fernando.
he does this electric ink in brazil. small advantage for poor countries.as the audi came to produce here, so they’re good in improving inks there. but paolo fernando hasn’t fucked around. so he visited the head professor of microbiological departmentof don’t know which brazilian super university, and asked him how much moneyhe made there monthly? he said 1200 euros. then paolo: „i give you 3000,come with me to make inks!†so, our man switched over to the ink industry.
once he showed me, wherever he goes in the worldhe logs in via his phone, yells „juan!â€, then everybody lines up in the lab for a tableauwearing those funny looking biohazard protective suits like in that movie,you know, the „virusâ€. then: „wave!†– and they have to wave. there’s permanent control. he showed how the trucks are sterilizedwhen entering. likely there are some miscellaneous things in the jungle,
that’s surely not good to get into the ink. the point is, that they place great emphasis onmicrobiological principles and body analysis when improving these inks. the first time, i used electric ink in 2009i wasn’t too fascinated, but now i swear on it’s greens. it you want a green, shining so much that it burns out retina,just take these. they’re very-very durable: i used it’s canary yellow. it’s always a gambleif it stays or not.
they get it tanned out very quickly. i have just seen a 5 years old work of mine.it looks fabulous inside, really vivid. i can recommend them,it’s not about commercial. i only know this. if anybody struggles with an ink, i suggest to purchase from them. i know, they have scientific background,that’s why i dare offer them. external temperature is very important. the 5 and 10 microns are definedwithin the 22-26 degrees celsius range.
you have surely experienced the situation, 40 â°c hot, sweat is running out the gloves, dripping from our elbow,we’re tattooing a line, and oops, it will look like this[spread away]... ...yeah, the capillaries. ok, that’s crazy, i googled this image. not mine, i swear.. there’s good chance for thison forearm’s inner side in a 40 â°c heat. the 5 microns wide capillariesare expanding as much
as when the pigmet ball gets into them,it can easily flow away like in a channel. and if they can move far enough,they may cause these „blow outsâ€. i show you some more from the google. it may often disappear after a few months. but, ok… this won’t… when the originally 5 microns wide capillariesare expanding according to the heat, then the 5 microns pigmet ball abundantly fits into, and it can stream away across them.
that’s the point, therefore blows it out… …if someone hadn’t known it so far,why occurs this. it’s so simple. when they get into wider channels, they can empty outvia the lymphatic and blood circulatory systems. they absorb inwards the way like this. that’s why tattoo gets worn out after a while. ok, not real wearing out. it’s impossible, because it’s under some permanentlyrenewing layers of skin. it’s not true, that tattoos wear out.
they empty out inwards throughthe circulatory system. put simply, you pee it out. slowly, but that’s the conclusion. …yes, what’s next?... yes! what if pigments are too big? those creamy consistence micky sharpz inks?remember? there were swelling black (due to sunshine),and carcinogenic green. the diameter of pigment balls was too big,and during the healing this effected a little bit hard, tough surface and several timesthe skin bulged after a while by some colours.
this is because the larger the pigment balls are, the bigger the free space is between them. as you put them next to each other,wide gaps will be formed, and the body tries to fill up thesespaces with „proud fleshâ€, so the tattoo starts to bulge. producing these have mostly stopped by now, also the micky sharpz changed to this „easy flowâ€,but they haven’t succeeded with it, because better manufacturers appeared by then, but this was the reason for them, to change.
technique i think this will interest you the best. let's call the presentation i have made so farintroduction or leading in. reducing the resistance of body and skin is a very important part of technique. we have to set body into a ready to be tattooed conditionto reach the best result in the ratio of number of pigments. i used to say, when you tattoo a big area,that's not a simple tattoo process anymore... to explain, when i have a foreigner guest,
sometimes i work 1-2 or 3 following days on him. that’s not „infinity†category any more, body suffers a massive stress that time. completely different processes start then. i will get on soon, why inflammatory reactionsare our – as tattooer’s worst enemies. you have to treat the whole body as one system, if you want to proceed with a big tattoo as soon as possible. if you’re about to work on big areas, it’s good to discuss it with the customerto train for it,
as for a sport competition. get his body prepared. it’s important, that the skin has to be moisturized, and blood pressure has to be calm. our guy has to be relaxed,even because of pain tolerance. we have to avoid overstressing the nervous systemwith too much stimulus. it’s good to warn guests, especially the over 40 years old onesthe week before appointment to drink enough, because of the skin.
to tell the truth, mostly the hydration of skin determines,how much it bears. i present my technique in a nutshell. i used to go through on a given surfacefrom 7 to 9 times, 7 times minimum, - they enjoy it -, but in exchange tattoo will be durable. it’s good to tell them drink 2 litres of water dailyfor 1-2 weeks before tattooing. that helps detoxifying andmoisturising skin. or they may use body lotion on previous days. the point for him is to prepare for it systematically,
and to make skin prepared for intervention. yes, flexibility and springiness has to be optimal. when body is weakened or physically exhausted, recovery processes slow down. we will discuss it when the healing,why is this so bad for us, for the tattoo, and for the afterlife of it. i suggest a and e vitamins, that are especially effective for skin. guests may take them before tattooingin wintertime period.
b and c vitamins are general immune boosters, which are very important and useful for fast recovery. body stocks should be filled up with them. ok, when we make a tiny star, it’s not necessary to make him eat such a big box of vitamine, but it could worth by a bigger,complex, colour picture. the blood more pictures? ... no, ok. we have to bring blood into optimal condition for tattooing.
the optimal condition is the slightly dense. so, it’s not necessary to drink extra wateron the very day of tattooing, because it would pump up blood pressure,that makes counterbleeding. we pump ink in, and body pumps it outby blood pressure. light thirst is ok that time. there’s no need to force it.drink normally when thirsty, to avoid fainting. light thirst... yes. obviously mustn’t take alcohol, aspirin,blood thinners, anticoagulants, drugs, etc. the point is, that body should be prepared for being tattooed
with filled stocks and low blood pressure. this is to keep as much pigments as possible inside the skin, not to be pushed out by the body, and to close tattoo needle holesas fast as possible by healing. now about nervous system. relation between blood pressure and nervous system. the state of nervous system takes effect on 2 main areas, blood pressure/circulation,and pain tolerance. but pain tolerance also has a retroaction on blood pressure.
if it hurts, we couldn’t put him into such a flowto enjoy the situation, and he will experience it as stress from inside, that will pump up blood pressure. if we give him too much external stimulus, i don’t know, like listening loud trash metal,and he’s a techno fan, that also tires him. the same effect, stress level andblood pressure start to climb. it worths bringing him into an optimal condition.
i have to repeat, i speak about big tattoos. it’s also possible to throw up a little star within 5 minutes,listening trash metal. i will put one single sentence after my speach:„in my opinionâ€. these are my own experiences. i prepared for it with some scientific background to understand the whole operation, but there are a lot of experiences of mine in it. for example, i wrote up, thats goodto keep out external disturbances, like friends, talk… etc. those, who come to me, should come alone,
no chatting, no fooling around. we sit down, work, be together, we keep the ritual part of it. it’s not close to the point, but i think, it’s very important to reach some kind of connection. ugh, should i start it?... maybe i will… but… how much time do you have? i think about all of it, that former age's tattoosalso had been made by shamans,
it’s a kind of intervening,sort of forming destinies. the person will change. why has it become so important? god has been taken out the mind, and filled up with a lot of facebookand entertainment instead, so mind is looking for spirituality. then it becomes esoteric (good or bad way), or starts to search for some kind of connection with the supernatural.
i don’t say that a rihanna style tattoowith those stars means this. but also no need to declare, that’s not. maybe the related information means her enough to make changes in her life,or simply experience it that way. that's not the same person any more, even if she walks out our doorwith one small tattoo only. that’s for sure. she will be different to exit,then to enter. it’s very important, how we behave, what sort of energies we radiate towards her.
i’m testing something new. maybe it sounds weird, but previouslyi bless it, meditate, and virtually project the outcome in my mind. i had a work, i can’t show you now, some kind of zeppelin, gear-wheel stuff. it’s absolutely out of my style, black and white in addition. i didn’t know, how it will look like. i tried to imagine a picture,
and hadn’t started to work until i succeeded with it. i sat there semi crosslegged, eyes closed. the girl couldn’t even imagine what’s going on. it took at least 10-15 minutes before the whole picturehad been fitted together in my mind, and then i could get into flow. like when you played with lego in your childhood,when there’s no need to think. and then my hand made it itself, spontaneously,like if it was in auto-pilot mode. this back took 3 sessions. then i've recognized, if we can imagine it in our minds,
we can carry out that image on the skin too. to be able to make good tattoos, you have to see the picture in your head. and not the printed one, because often you will sense itaccording to your actual mood. for my part, i try to get attuned to the person, and usually i get some feedback then. everybody is different:some are a bit frustrated, some are relaxed, some give you free hand,some are pretty annoying.
nevermind. i try to tune on his personal frequency, and put together an image of the feelingsi sense from his direction, which image’s sketch schematicallyalready exists on paper, or fitted together from parts. so, i imagine it, and print it in my mind. nowadays i used to try working with this method. it works quite good, anyway. i have passed througha very massive downturn in my work,
obviously everybody goes over this, and now i’m totally leaving it behind. it’s gonna be a giant „flashâ€, i feel it. …ugh… we’re rambled… habitually… i start to speak to my wife, then she interrupts me after a while:„get to the point!†i have mentioned the nervous system, haven’t i? yes, distracting attention… if you can’t get connected with him truly,
that tattoo won’t be personally his own. 4 pm, after work, they just stop by,and purchase a tattoo. sadly this goes in the west, or even here. there are street tattoo shops, which’s business policy is not about art, but mostly about making profit. there’s a tattoo consumption there,tattoos are consumed. something gets on his skin at 6pm,he jumps in after work, they don’t get attuned, etc, etc…
i have these feelings about this. i had 4 summers in croatia,i had my own shop there. i know the fast and effective way of making moneyin holiday areas. i dont’t know if some of you have worked... - hands up! - on such areas? balatoning? anywhere else? no? ... be happy for it! i’m not proud of it. on the other hand it was good, spending time,hanging around, that’s for sure.
yes, smart phones… it could work at the beginning, he hangs on facebook, chatting,telephoning, etc. during i tattoo him. but i recognized, maybe you did it as well, that those, who deal with their phonesare holding up very well for a while, but when their brain had been dischargedand run out of patience, they can’t stand tattooing process anymoreright after putting down the mobile. because they got tired.
so, my conclusion is that nervous systemmustn’t been bothered with anything. the best is to plug up his ears, and ohmmm… ok, it’s not the best,but we have to suggest to each their own best, that fits the best to their character. they can’t stand pain any longer at all,after putting down their smartphones. we have to put customer into a kind of trance. take care about ventilation! brain uses oxygen. it can only burn enough sugar,if doesn’t lack oxygen. but you’ll be able to concentrate properlyfor a long time only, when air is fresh enough,
and you drink the necessary amount. i’ve tattooed for 15 years, and last yeari had kidney stone for the first time. i dont’t wish it for anyone! that’s brutal. obviously you also don't drink enough. frirstly because you have to pull down gloves, difficult. secondly you don’t feel thirst,because of concentrating. it’s vital to take care about it. keep it between ourselves,
renal colic (cramp of kidney) really sucks! that’s terrible. i wasn’t laughing. they pulled up 2 cathetersas thick as mcdonald’s straws between my kidney and bladder, across penis. pretty mind-blowing. ok, i was anesthetized, but i woke up after a while…
…it was crazy to look down:„shit!†alone in germany. but i got appropriate medical care at least. yes… trance state… work with oxygen… i usually used to listen to soft, monotone music. intelligent dnb, goes on spotify,there are good stuff on. floating, airy, attention-keeping,prevents slowing down. i recognized, if i listen to music with lyrics or roaring, my brain’s being discharged too.
mind gets tired of it. these things work for me. you can emotionally fly to it andget easier to flow, where creative joy happens. but let’s face it,everybody have remained child a bit, because you feel the same during tattooing, that you felt in your childhood,when you played with lego or barbie. i stayed somewhat child, aging relatively slower.
we understand children. i used to watch my young son lost in playing with his toys... oh, yeah… i know this, i like it too…tomorrow someone comes to be tattooed… the really beautiful tattoos are made, when you both get outside time and space. if customer is calm, blood pressure doesn’t raise,and stuff remains in. we have to be on it! concerning technique:
how to temper the skin? the goal of our technique is to put as many pigments as possibbleinto the skin without harming it’s structure. the substance of my technique is to go through the surface once, and then let it soften. pores are opening. for example, when i make a face portrait, i run over it with georgia peach. i dilute it a bit, to make it go inside easily,and to avoid to have to push it hard.
it’s not necessary for it to stay inside. the point is to make the area open up. i leave it alone. but the best is to cover it with a foil, even with some bactine, if he’s mewling,and continue under or above, starting to prepare another area. and then i begin filling up. i usually used to begin with putting upthe lighter part of the medium hue, then i darken it,
then i lighten it. it means, that i skip back with this lightening. sharp-edged deep darks are coming in the end, therefore it will have a high contrast. and white at the very end. obviously, we have to go trough the surface several times. i suggest extra long taper, it really does for it, but plain long taper also does.
it doesn’t work with these mediums/bug pins at all. it does a big hole as suddenly as it injures skin surface. we have to start sponging up skin quite gently. bleeding stops by then and pores widen. you see, when hair follicles swell. so, this is the real manageable condition of skin. it’s enough just to slightly touch it then. in fact, this whole issue,that how am i doing it would deserve…
i used to give a 2-day course. first day i’m tattooingand rookies are watching, next day they tattoo their subjects,and i tell them, how to do it. i’m very proud of many of them,because everybody shows up progress. not right after the course. usually it takes about half a year after picking up these infos,before they become able to really rule their new skills, and they make very nice surfaces. i used to follow those, who were by me, and they develop quite smartly.i’m happy with it.
… deluting with colours… … widen, bleeding stops… this surface only needs some smoothing in the end. i tell it schematically. in my hand, machine leansnot only on my middle finger, – i don’t show it for that –but on the ring and little fingers, too. i have callus both on my those 3 fingers. i close these 3 fingers quite tight, and the overhanging part of the grip leans against them.
i mean the part above the tip. i can adjust depth very preciselyby moving these 3 fingers. the method is,that first phase can go a bit deeper, but not to the edge, and the followers gradually less. last layers shouldn’t been pushed hard, because needle has as resistless way by then, as it could run too deep. i use coil machines,i can’t speak too much about rotaries.
i’m not a rotary fan. i restarted working with rotaries several times, but personally i couldn’t reach that level of massiveness. i believe it’s possible,but in my opinion it’s more difficult, and much more depends on the sensitivity of fingers. i had some, for example when i bought the cheyenne, i loved hitting in an a4 within 4 hours. ugh… wow… portrait with angel, massive black background,they went inside quickly, it was nice.
i checked it half a year later, and it wasn’t so,that should be regular from me. i couldn’ give it durability. right because, i think many times i couldn’t hit the proper depth, that’s related to the reacting force of the spring. you know, you adjust magnetism on a coil machine, that will pull the needle inside the skin. and you can tune it. let’s just look hernandez!their machines breathe,
he’s shading like this. and he gets smooth, plane surfaces. no way, to repeat that smoothness with a rotary, nor with dragonfly. i hope, i’m wrong, but i think nobody would. it’s not accidental, that tattoo history begun with them, first electric machines were rotaries. they had been exchanged for some reason. later they appeared on the market again.
it’s a simple structure anyway. and i think, that after a few years time coils will live their renaissance again according to the results by then. for my part, i have 13 coil machines, separately adjusted each for different tasks. i also like to look through my little kitties, and choose the most adequate one for the given picture. it’s also a kind of tuning on for me.
but i can understand it,i see rotaries work good in boris’s hands. ok, he works paralelly. so he doesn’t work like this. but machine is held rotatated 90â°, and he does this way. so needle goes inside skin nearly paralelly. they remain well. but you know, by he puts up a forearm with a round liner 3. i don’t know..
nevertheless i’m not cruel so much. i wanted to say, however,rotaries function properly by him. i saw his prior works,they remained extremely integral wholes. oops… i have a course, and i surely will hold one this summer. i’m the last to present today,so we should keep a short pee break after i’ll be done with this durability topic, and those who’s interested should come back and tell their questions,
and we can speak on about it in a small group session. i have put out some papers there,so, who’s interested in the course can maybe subscribe. i will hold the course this summer, if enough people will be gathered to worth it. structure and contrast of picture it’s important for the message of the tattooto mark out sharply from the background, because eyes recognize sharp differencesbetween colour tones and hues the best.
so, we have a main part, (you obviously know that),a main theme – so the background souldn’t be worked out as detailed,as main theme becomes unrecognizable. it’s important to highlight itwith the different contrasts of colours or of the black and whites. always prop your work with black, because those tattoos functionate pretty goodeven from the aspect of durability, or they’re very impressive, too. i used to say about a tattoo,that it’s not a picture on the wall, you can’t stare on it for hours drinking wine,and saying „aah… awesome!â€.
you have for it maximum… 10 seconds? it gets by you, or you talk a bit,and look upon it then. i place great emphasis on making it obvious,what the tattoo presents in a clear, definable manner, to avoid lifelong silly questions. … you understand, because he commits suicide… it’s like this in my routine,i try to make my works as understandable as possible. yes, body moves, and that’s why… yes, more distant parts of the body are especially concerned.
thus, i think it worths going deepinto such details on a forearm’s inner side, that would be needless on a calf, no one will do a push-up, just to see it. it’s better to compose the motif there by maybe using stronger lines, or transform the main theme more understandable. i think szabolcs oravecz spoke about it before, that realism is the base and art will grow out of it. i encourage everybody
to try to create something in this airy, flow state, like if you played with lego in your childhood, things come easily then. be braves, let it happen, let the thing turn out by itself! don’t insist rigorously,because tattoo will turn to a kind of strain. um, you know, permanently this… i used to say, they make even the stencil checked – you know, when before a2 1 b7,and then we copy that.
because he won’t stress on it so much. but i would rather prompt everybody to release, you’re so talented, i’m so proud of this hungarian tattoo community. i used to say, that poles (tattoo artists of poland) are the best, i mean they’re the best as community at all. but i see, that as individuals… hungarian is an individual type, not a sheep type,therefore we don’t work as community.
everybody wants to redeem the world, and usually we quarrel on how to do it. we are very-very strong. if we could join together – god grant this, to occur once –, we would kick all asses here in europe. we are everywhere anyway. sorry, i rambled again… another reason to use high contrasts in a tattoois the contrast loss over time.
the black will grey, the light will darken, so it won’t be that shiny white,like it was after two-weeks. they start moving and sliding toward each other. the best is to put white next to black,to keep the substance last for a long time. maybe it could be reached with contours. i know, it’s trendy to work contourless, but i don’t belive in durability of realistic tattoos. i think tattoo lives long, and stayes renewable, when… if you think think in a long term, you make so,
that… ok, he will tan it out and doesn’t care for it, but anyway, it shouldn’t be so,when you sit in front of it for 2 hours head scratching, trying to figure outwhat they wanted to make before you. but rather let it be a clear thing, in this case, he can take it toanybody and get it renewed. we won’t only make new tattoos. now we make a lot of brand new ones, because the most of society is not tattooed yet, but times will come. obviously it’s a process,
technique evolves, tattoos are more and more beautiful, ergo, everybody who has an old tattoowill want to get it refreshed, renewed, so this will be a separate industrial sector, and there’s a chance, that you have to pimp upyour own work after 5 years. that happened to everybody already, didn’t it? in my eyes contour is likethe skeleton in the body. bones will be thicker,where „motif†is exposed to bigger effects, and thinner on less exposed areas. i like to put thicker contoursaround the more relevant parts.
i don’t know, do anyone remembercsaba mã¼llner’s first generation works? those vastly contourous ones.i loved them. yep, those surely endured for a very long while. evidently it’s also good as he does them nowadays, just it was a very specific style. putting things here or there in a tattoomeans the highlighting of the message, just like the load by the skeleton. i don’t suggest you to heap everything with contours, but you can use it smartly,even by some kind of semi-realism.
there’s a realism, and you propthat part with some contours. or generally these lines of the noses. there was a time i fancied the neotraditional. but it turned to a sort of closed race, that „i’m a neotradie… you know, community doesn’t admits everybody.†they became like the old-schoolers. i tried to move everywhere.across styles. but neotraditional tattoo providess a lot of good solutions.
it have already mixed that type of characteristicswith the new techniques. colour contour – pretty nice. it can work pretty nice, it’s not so bothering,like if you made the nose-line with thick black, and it still remains durable. it worths using it, if we’re upon this. contours positively influence tattoo durability. they contain pigments concentrated, because all the pins of the contour needlepoint into one common osculation. when they’re put into the formwork,they pull them together before soldering.
the pins look towards the same point. the pigment concetration will be much bigger per skin area, than with a magnum, a shaderor with a heated apart round liner. you go throug the area more times by those techniques(even by a magnum) to reach the same conciseness. when you contour, you can engrave itif goes to the proper place, the proper depth, with the proper ink and pigments are not too small. for example by these blow outs he probably made itwith tribal or shader blacks. they’re made of small pigments particularly to fill fast.
it worths using liner blacks for black contours, to avoid blow outs. anyway it goes much more into one point. fixing it after 10-15 years is much easier,– as we spoke about it before. we arrived to the quality of healing. does the event run too fast?or is it comprehensible? i try to do my best to prevent sittinghere by tomorow morning... quality of healing body resists all outer influences, alien materials.
it’s a whole natural process. „xenophobic†– we can say. it also tries to pull out or destroy ink. oh yeah, sorry... i missed ... contrast tattoo. well, this is sure, to stay okay. and realism.so it’s also possible here. sivak denis...
do you know him? of course... i worked several times together with sivak denis, in essen. it’s him. he opens it in photoshop,pulls up the contrast, the black, and tattooes it the same. he beats in a palm size black, if it’s needed. or with a small tone difference. and it works, his tattoos are very impressive,you know him.. and he does those light areas with very pale ones.
actually he leaves out middle hues. there’s either very dark or very bright in his tattoos. it works jolly good,he have made this tattoo a very long time ago. but for some reason now i thinkit’s connected to the topic. it must have stayed allright.there’s nothing in, that shouldn’t have stayed well. i think it have been a quite durable portrait. ok, maybe i should made it more precisely,but it’s good of durability aspect. oops. what happened? what happened?
yep, contours. this here is a neotrady, but a bit otte-style. i didn’t wanted to drive too muchattention into the foreground, i contoured there with red. but i focused the middle of the rose after all, i started to darken it afterwards. i contoured it up with crimson red, then i went through it again with a deep red. and then where it called for it –by the way it’s a lilac or some kind of plum,
i hadn’t used any blacks,that’s a very dark lilac. by the face, edge of the face is given, i could use this same layered technique. i think the base colour could be circa this one, that you can see, underneath the white as well. maybe right next to the contour there’s not, but the same one is under the white and other brights, too. this whole had been dyed once,
and then i darkened it. these rose-colours can be put on it very smoothly. i like in my own works,when i achieve that you can’t say where the rose-colour endsand where peach-colour begins. when i can attain this, i’m satisfied. i’m sure that it has been endured shiny up to this day. altough white has likely been paled already, but the motif can be told durableaccording to the conception. oops, they’re the macrophages.
macrophages. they’re the macrophages. macrophages are the phagocytes of the white blood cells. they love to gobble up everything, and they attend only on inflamed areas. it there’s an inflammation anywhere in the body macrophages appear there because presumably there are some kind of bacteriums,viruses or alien materials, etc. their duty is to eat them up.
if tattoo gets inflamed it gets badly pale. you must perceived it – when he rotted it,dog licked it, cat hair fell into it, etc., it was purulent and horroristic and you couldn’t even sleep. it happened with me too. it doesn’t rot apart, ink doesn’t run out of it, but it won’t even be so, like when you’ve donethe same type tattoo with colours shining, but they won’t by this one. exactly because macrophages attend too long.
anyway, canadians are now developing a macrophage-activator cream. they generate an „artificial inflammation†in the skin. therefore phagocytes appearand gobble up tattoo. now they want to exchange laser treatments. reportedly it will be quite cheap, and works good at animal tests. you anoint tattoo with it for a month, and it disappears. look, it’s good for us,
because they come to get a new one made. we have to protect tattoo from inflammation. they gobble up all alien materials. we’re important to reduce recovery period. the sooner it heals, the less the macrophages attend, the less piggments they eat, the shinier the tattoo becomes. i myself prefer the hybrid cure process.
for the first step it’s moist and then dry. my method is, that first day i foil it, or put a pad on. maybe it’s available already…they invent all gizmos. there’re special tattoo pads already,you can put on it, it absorbs the most of the outcoming fluids. closure of pores is more effective in drier environment. pores become sodden, then those open up, perforated partsadhere together again.
they close up earlier in dry environment. a wound formating process begins when it’s kept too dry after closure. there will be a scrab on it, that’s however not good, because maybe it could stick together with the pigments, and it may pull them out, when falling down, so even it could heal wrong of it.
first day i used to apply foil plus pad. my latest „invention†is the incontinence pad made for senior peopleor small children after diaper period. we have a small boy in that very age. „shit, how awesome!†i put it on the work surface, for example i cover an armrest with it. listen, you can squirt it for 5 hours,everything flows everywhere, but stayes pretty dry.
truly it’s like a huge menstrual pad. for example you put an always on, then foil, it should be shit-kicker a bit… i cut pieces of this, and put these on. it’s conical inwards, everybody have seen the always ad, „cleaner, drierâ€. first day i send off our man with this, then...
it’s hard to come back to me, becausei work under bunker conditions in a forest. but he foils it from the next day, changes it 3 times. the bests are these suprasorb and opsite. this dermalizepro has turnedto develop specially for tattooing. these perforated foils are breathable,doesn’t get stinky. if you use them, it’s vital to disinfect it. either with bactine, which contains antibacterial,antiviral, fungicidal etc. agent, or with octenisept,and octenilin wound irrigator.
you can find a lot, that you can spray on it,doesn’t matter, which one, preferably non alcoholicparticulary on big areas. there are some, who bears that, too... it’s relevant, to be sterilized, and to be closed right after that,because if anything remains inside, or for example you exhale on it, but you missed toothwashing,or something drops on it, you close it, it’s hot, it’s humid, and then germs say: "yeee!" and then the well known happens.
i don’t prefer cling film, because after he exits our door,it becomes his responsibility. and my fully proper after tattoo treatment doesn’t worth a bean, if he rots it, gets it licked by the pitbull,or anything else. and then he calls you a yob,sues you for mayhem, etc. i heard that story, james told me, that bloodline zoli and hiscompanions started a process, about whether to tattoo at home or not, etc. tattoo profession has hada great debate around this.
actually it’s a pretty good conception,even i could support it. because one of the associationswas inquried by the police, concerning a case with a tattoo,that was made at the tattooist’s home. it had badly rotten off,he nearly lost his whole arm, the healing had been lasted more than 8 days. in such cases hospital automatically has to makean ex officio denunciation. now how do you find the responsible person? had the tattooist worked dirty? or our person did something wrong…
forgot the foil on the tattoo for a too long time… undefinable. i supervise it, if they lock himinto my house in the wood. it surely would be healed the proper way. but evidently it couldn’t be done. i don’t suggest to create a criminal cathegory for it. because it’s planned to make and to rate it as mayhem. i think it’s unverifiable,
it must be proven, who’s blameful. anyway, they can argue on the legal aspect of it,if they want. i think, that if someone,who’s exacting in his work will be able to „hypnotiseâ€his guest during the sessions to be so kind to take careof his own tattoo’s treatment. obviously he leaves there a big sum for it. therefore it worths to tattoo expensively, to make him take care of it. this is my personal opinion about it,we will see, how it turns out.
yes... i mentioned the pad... on the 2nd-4th days moist curing: or the foil, replaced 3 times a day, or the cover with these dermalize, etc. foils. wound won’t run so much by then to drench them, or to make them a blood filled pouch,hanging on his neck disgustingly. surface turns then into a moresophisticated condition as well. just as much fluid runs out the wound,
as much it’s needed for the perfect healing. and the serum is the best curing stuff. refoiling can be omitted from the 4th day,replaced with a 3 times a day washing and caring. h2o works good, maybe it worked the best for me. that’s a jolly good product,there are even 1000 more. try them all! for washing downsi suggested and used the aloe first, it higly boosted
and shortened the healing time. recently i’ve ran into a hungarian development, that now i’m testing. it’s a hungarian stuff, if someone’s interested,i’ll speak about it in the small group session. or rather here is a lady,who’s a master of it, and then she can tell, what it’s really like. i can’t speak about it yet,it looks quite positive. it reduces healing time to its third,
that’s very good for us from macrophage viewpoint, because the pacman passes outby the third of the track. and creatures survive. now i go to switzerland, and test it among my guests via treating them with it. i’ll use a test and a control group, and documentate everything with photos. if substance really pays off,i’ll present it for you. and then we hope…
if results fulfil expectations indeed, i think it will be one of the best aftercare stuffs. the complete healing timecould last up to 7-9 months. it doesn’t mean it matters(pus) so long, but skin regrows and regenerates to the full by then. it must be highly looked after meanwhile. as long as skin’s not a whole, a simple tanning can be 10 times more harmful for it, because body can’t protect itself.
or it gets sunburnt easily. i’ll concern it when the afterlife, that why is it so important. this process can be shortened with bioptron lamps etc. i don’t say to run to the shop to purchase one, but who already has, even could use it. or the guest has one, or friend of him has etc. one bioptron treatment per weekspeeds up skin regeneration processes, and it won’t be necessaryto take too much care about it for a year.
but everybody sayes,the first year is vital and determinant. let him look after his tattoo for a year, because it will be much durable in the future then. afterlife we think it over, draw the tattoo,purchase the best ink that money can buy, tattoo it with honor,pay attention to healing. then mickey flies to egypt, and ruins everything within two weeks. yes, therefore we have to tattoo expensively,
if he goes there anyway,he should appreciate if at least for the costs, and not waste it. but what happens whilst tanning or lying in a solarium? just because we tell you not to tan it.but why not? what scientifically happens, when getting a tattoo tanned on the sunor in a solarium? tattoo gets a high frequency infrared,and low freqency uv ray exposure during a sunbath. darker areas absorb high frequencies much better, that makes that swelling black (due to sunshine),
by the way it’s a burn, but i’ll be back to this soon. as i sayed, darker areasabsorb these frequencies much better, and have the same effectlike when an over-long infrared lamp treatment causes a subcutaneous burn. you don’t feel on your body yet, but your tattoo and its surroundingshave totally burnt up by then. what happens? there’s a burn – "achtung! achtung!"
pacmans are coming and demolish. in addition it suffers a high uv radiation exposure toothat cracks these pigments balls. their upper layer falls down, then pacman comes and gobbles it up. this is the main reason, why the half of the tatto disappearsduring one single holiday. if this exposure is big enough, tattoo will be screwed up. oops… i’ve lost track…
yes, it gets heated up. what to do against it? there are nice cellars in egypt,with billiard tables, i suggest them. there are bars. obviously when he travels the first year. one of my guests used a toe-cutted sock, but he omitted it too after a while. some are capable to take care of it. it’s clear that sun-loving peopleshouldn’t get fully tattooed themselves.
or if he does, then assume having it retattooedevery three years as well. we can’t do anything with it. a neutrogena product… yes, it’s a kind of before-after, you know. left one got 10.000 likes, and the right one none. this happens, when it fails to put inthe proper amount the proper way. i presume some incorrect recovery here, too.i don’t know the reason. i show it, because…
yes, here you can see some wrong healed areas, and let’s be honest, macrophages appearedand gobbled it up. thus, there’s a great load of black and contrast there, and maybe some photoshop by the reason of likes. probably he overworked it a bit, too, but i think it had been eaten up from inside. yes, the previous image. neutrogena product presentation, factor 100.
not obtainable. it is to order from the usa. if someone assumes, to order a carton of it, just put it on a tattoo group,it’s sure to be a good seller. i don’t know,why it isn’t available in europe. nice stuff. truly, i used to say that it makes sense to buy… … walk in pharmacy and ask for suntan-lotionfor your albino child. you know, that many albino kids…
i’ll suggest distributors, sebi orimi or kisfå‘nã¶k to trade them. i think it would be salable, because there are manywho would take care of it, if he has payed so much for itand suffered all that pain already. 50+ is the strongest now. it’s not bad, better than nothing,but the 100 is the optimal. let him protect his skin from the heat. so, if our men is tattooed,let him dip more often, don’t lay for hours anddon’t fall asleep drunk on the sun! take care of and don’t burn it,
otherwise the process will start. listen, you tattoo someone 5x4 hours long, 20 hours must be quite enoughto „hypnotise†him to do what you said. it can be done well. … yeah, let him play billiardfor 2 weeks in the basement… body lotions can be used a moderated way. truly it doesn’t really have effect on the colour, his skin will be a little bit more transparentand then it glitters better, that’s all.
i recognized, if they salve it too much, it will absorb water another wayaccording to the inner wound, it bulges, starts to itch. as i sayed, body lotioning is useful only a moderated way,to make it nice-looking, but obviously all of you have a tattoo,so you know what it bears. oh, we’re more or less accomplished. well, that’s all, i could tell you about durability. how long did it take? wow, good, we’re in time!
i planned something extra,so maybe we should keep a break, i drink a sip, too, and have some rest. i would put that small group,question and answer session after the break, if anyone has some technique-relatedor any other questions. i was a bit disappeared in the last years, i was developing a power supply. it’s called itattoo.
it’s controlled via smartphone. not the ipower, they stole the idea,whatever. this is a hungarian-way story. maybe i should present it for those, who’s interested, why is it helpful, what plans i have with it,developing of it is in process. maybe we can discuss the ways of extra lessions,if someones’s interested. and there’s a possibility of askingabout this hungarian stuff, too. i suggest to keep a break. and thank you for your attention,if someone leaves now.
budapest tattoo conference,lurdy house, 13-14. february 2016.
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